Tartışma:Preveze Deniz Muharebesi
Konu ekle| Burası Preveze Deniz Muharebesi adlı madde üzerindeki değişikliklerin konuşulduğu tartışma sayfasıdır. Maddenin konusunun genel olarak tartışıldığı bir forum değildir. |
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Problem article
[kaynağı değiştir]Sorry for posting in English here, but I believe the contents of this article is causing problems in the English-language article. Possibly also in other language versions.
This article is giving a skewed and unreliable account of the battle. I've written a lot about 16th century naval warfare and the version of events, and especially the figures provided for strengths and losses are misrepresented by biased or unreliable sources. The following sources given in this article are clearly not reliable since they are self-published:
- https://web.archive.org/web/20101123201641/http://korsan.uskudar.biz/preveze.htm
- https://web.archive.org/web/20070928203950/http://www.corsaridelmediterraneo.it/corsari/b/barbarossa.html
I've removed claims attributed to these sources and I would expect serious editors to take note and not reintroduce them.
It's overall rather hard to find all that many details about this battle. John F. Guilmartin has written extensively about 16th century naval warfare in the Mediterranean and his description of this battle in Galleons and Galleys (page 132) is the following:
"Tactically, the battle of Prevesa was little more than a skirmish. The Christians lost a handful of galleys and round ships. The most notable episode was the successful resistance of a Venetian galleon."
In Jan Glete's Warfare at sea, 1500-1650 (page 101) it's described as mainly an attempt at an amphibious assault with minor losses. Pryor in Geography, technology, and war (page 177) states that the Christian navy "withdrew with the loss of only a few ships" even if they were "outmanoeuvered and severely mauled" by the Ottomans. None of these are biased historians and have written extensively on all the major naval powers. Whatever the significance of this battle, it was not in numerical losses. Peter Isotalo 07.37, 16 Ağustos 2023 (UTC)
- Dear @Peter Isotalo, i reverted your version. Because Before this change is made, it should be discussed and agreed upon here. Regards, Zafer (mesaj - e-posta) 14.09, 16 Ağustos 2023 (UTC)
- This is not a matter of discussion. These are sources that are unreliable since they are self-published websites. They're the equivalent of some random blog. And I have also provided academic sources right here, on the talkpage, that contradict them.
- The reason I'm insisting on this is because it's clear that there are Turkish nationalist POV warriors. One of the latest accounts, Germanicus44, just got banned for edit warring. And also because the user tried to push exactly these sources.
- If you don't take responsibility and keep this article clean of misinformation, you will effectively be encouraging users to spread it to other language versions. Peter Isotalo 17.40, 16 Ağustos 2023 (UTC)